Public Space Kills Breakdown UPDATED 04/05/18

For those interested in the details, I used the word, "Killed" not "removed." Also, I want to point out that even though the "Sharpshooting" program is over, there is at least one sign remaining by The Goddard School, part of the Gun Free School Zone. They can kill there because preschoolers are not protected, under the law.

Here is the final count of deer killed in our public spaces.

From: Ian McMeans <imcmeans@mtlebanon.org>
To: egillen476 <egillen476@aol.com>
Cc: Keith McGill <kmcgill@mtlebanon.org>
Sent: Tue, Apr 3, 2018 8:45 am
Subject: Mt. Lebanon Sharpshooting Program Question

Ms. Gillen,

Per your e-mail to Municipal Manager Keith McGill, you requested a breakdown of the deer removed from public spaces as part of the Sharpshooting portion of Mt. Lebanon's Deer Management Program. The Final Sharpshooting Report stated "Thirty one deer were harvested from private properties while 26 were removed from the three public properties available." Those 26 were removed from the following sites:

Robb Hollow - 10
Golf Course - 14
McNeilly - 2

Sincerely,

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Ian McMeans

Assistant Manager/Planner
Mt. Lebanon Municipality
710 Washington Road
Mt. Lebanon, PA 15228
412-343-3620

Update April 3, 2018 6:49 PM The deer invasion in Mt. Lebanon is out of control

I am surprised by this letter and comments. We just finished another year of "sharpshooting" at a cost of $1352.81 per deer. Comments like the one below just amaze me.

IF you could keep the protesters out of Mt. Lebanon, you might just have a shot at culling the herd. If you could get the councilpersons to just shut up and get on with the cull, you might have a shot at culling the herd.

What protesters? We haven't protested in years. Nobody even goes to commission meetings anymore. Councilpersons need to just shut up and get on with the cull?? What are you talking about? We have been killing deer for years. I have shared the numbers here. We are not the deer capital of the state. If we are, Tony DeNicola can't find them.

D. McMahon, I don't know where you live, but here are Tony's recommendations for next year.

1. Add Williamsburg Park and Hoodridge Park to discharge high powered rifles.

2. Extend the shooting hours of high powered rifles on private and public property to seven days a week and 3:00 PM to midnight.

3. Non-traditional Trap and shoot in areas such as Morrison Drive and Virginia Manor's Valleyview Drive. (Remember Merlin the Magnificent?)

4. Conduct another deer population estimate*

*The last estimate was done by Tony's buddy (who estimated on the phone, had never stepped foot in Mt. Lebanon, nor knew the size of Mt. Lebanon) to be between 700-900 deer.

I am sure that our "councilpersons" will try to appease you. Commenters keep talking about whiners. The only whining I am hearing these days are from people like D. McMahon. You are getting exactly what you want and you still aren't happy. I'm pointing out the results and what it is costing taxpayers. No whining from me. I can't afford it.

Update April 4, 2018 11:58 AM It looks like I am going to pay dearly for publishing Craig Grella's arrest for public drunkenness and similar misconduct.

From:	egillen476 <egillen476@aol.com>
To:	cgrella <cgrella@mtlebanon.org>
Cc:	kmcgill <kmcgill@mtlebanon.org>; commission <commission@mtlebanon.org>; imcmeans <imcmeans@mtlebanon.org>
Subject:	Re: Kills by Public Spaces
Date:	Wed, Apr 4, 2018 11:49 am

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Craig, wow, great start. I was referring to a very long email exchange with Tony DeNicola, who promised to tell me what kind of bait he was using, only to be told that it is proprietary information.

https://lebocitizens.blogspot.com/2016/04/winding-down.html

I see what you mean about "your communication seeks only to insult people." Your email is a perfect example.

Elaine

-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Grella <cgrella@mtlebanon.org>
To: egillen476 <egillen476@aol.com>
Cc: Keith Mcgill <kmcgill@mtlebanon.org>; Commission <commission@mtlebanon.org>; Ian McMeans <imcmeans@mtlebanon.org>
Sent: Wed, Apr 4, 2018 11:35 am
Subject: Re: Kills by Public Spaces

Elaine.

It takes time to confirm information and then publish it online. Especially if that information contains data that we need to review before it is published publicly. There is way too much information out there in print and online that is published before it is fact-checked. The timeline with which information is published may not be to your liking, and I'm sorry if that is the case you have experienced previously.

If you feel there is specific information that is not being published in a timely manner I encourage you to contact the commission directly via email or your ward commissioner via phone. If there is a question in your message I'll answer it the best I can. But if your communication seeks only to insult people, I think you'll find a less warm reception to your messages.

Craig

Craig Grella

Commissioner, Mt. Lebanon Ward 4

cgrella@mtlebanon.org

(412) 343-3400

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 2:23 PM, 'egillen476@aol.com' via Commission <commission@mtlebanon.org> wrote:

Keith, I have gone down this path before. 

Elaine

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Mcgill <kmcgill@mtlebanon.org>
To: egillen476 <egillen476@aol.com>
Cc: Commission <commission@mtlebanon.org>; Ian McMeans <imcmeans@mtlebanon.org>

Sent: Mon, Apr 2, 2018 9:28 am
Subject: Re: Kills by Public Spaces

Good morning Elaine,

Ian McMeans is handling your request. I'm sure he will provide you with a response as soon as one is available.

Keith

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 9:10 AM, egillen476@aol.com <egillen476@aol.com> wrote:

Keith,

Any idea how long it will be to get the answer?

Elaine

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Mcgill <kmcgill@mtlebanon.org>
To: egillen476 <egillen476@aol.com>
Cc: Commission <commission@mtlebanon.org>; Ian McMeans <imcmeans@mtlebanon.org>
Sent: Mon, Mar 26, 2018 7:33 am
Subject: Re: Kills by Public Spaces

Good morning Elaine. Ian McMeans is the staff lead for our deer management program. I am copying Ian on this reply so that he is aware of your request.

Keith

On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 5:47 PM, egillen476@aol.com <egillen476@aol.com> wrote:

Keith,

The 2017 Final "Sharpshooting" Report http://www.mtlebanon.org/DocumentCenter/View/14818 did not include the kills by Public Spaces. I had to ask for that information.

The 2018 Final "Sharpshooting" Report http://www.mtlebanon.org/DocumentCenter/View/16042 (virtually the same as 2017) did not include the kills by Public Spaces. I am, once again, asking for this information.

Elaine Gillen

Update April 5, 2018 5:29 PM Still no update on the municipal website, Craig. Exactly how much time is needed? This is why I have so many readers, Craig.

 From: egillen476 <egillen476@aol.com>
To: cgrella <cgrella@mtlebanon.org>
Cc: kmcgill <kmcgill@mtlebanon.org>; commission <commission@mtlebanon.org>; imcmeans <imcmeans@mtlebanon.org>
Sent: Wed, Apr 4, 2018 1:56 pm
Subject: Re: Kills by Public Spaces

Craig, please show me where the information that I had requested has been published online, other than my blog. http://www.mtlebanon.org/DocumentCenter/View/16042

Lose the attitude.

Elaine